FUTURE

An Argument between a Theist and an Atheist

“I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect." Oscar Wilde. 

NON-BELIEVER

  

       Let’s take this one step at a time.

You are little...you are told there is a God.. ok?

A Christian is told there are 3. A Hindu is told there are thousands. We are told that nothing can be made itself and there has to be a creator and that is god/gods. So we accept these things because our parents told them to us. And parents cannot be wrong can they??

     So we go on believing what we were taught in our childhood without once entertaining the thought that our parents can be wrong……

     We are told that god made the earth, the heavens  and everything.. proof? proof is that nothing as complicated and sophisticated as this universe or human body can be made out of itself... THERE HAS TO BE SOME ONE WHO CREATED THIS... So when we ask but who created god?  It is told that god was there always.. He need not be created. He escapes that rule. He is just there... He is more intelligent than a human and more complex than the universe but we believe that he was not created….. He was just there.

   Just see how contradictory it is to each other.. Universe which is far less complex than god CAN NOT CREATE ITSELF... but  GOD  who is INFINITELY MORE COMPLEX  did not need a creator.. He just came to be. The truth really is that we cannot really say what created what. Our knowledge is so limited that we cannot see what is behind our back let alone find out that who created this universe...

Then we are told about the prophets and men of God and miracle workers...They claim to speak with God and then show us his power... Their prophecies come true. Their enemies are defeated. Their miracles are extravagant. They are thoroughly convincing...And surprise  surprise  every religion has got these people... EVERY SINGLE  ONE Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Baha'i, Buddhism, Wiccan.. EACH AND EVERY ONE.. Their prophecies come true with an eerie accuracy.. Whether its Jesus Christ  or the witch doctors in Africa who speak  with spirits or a Christian priest who saw Jesus in his dream or a child visited by the Virgin Mary or whether it’s.

Every Religion has got a fair share of these miracles and holy people….. Those who could make it rain just by praying right at the spot...

All of them cannot be right….. Surely only the followers of the true God would have their prayers answered?? There would be a CLEAR difference between believers and non-believers.

BUT SADLY NO... There is no difference. No matter what your religion is, your prayers will be answered at the same rate... Hindu Gods listen as often to prayers as Jesus Christ does or Yahweh or Allah or Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Sometimes they your prayer is answered and then it is flaunted as a great sign of God….. but when it is not...well no it does not mean that god is not listening…..it does not mean that there is no god...A the old saying goes:

“If God Answers Your Prayer, He is increasing your FAITH. If He Delays, He is increasing  your PATIENCE. If He Doesn’t Answer, He has Something BETTER in store for you.”

You see there is simply no way to rule out God…..NONE…... No matter what happens you can't arrive to the conclusion that there may be no God.

These are the things that each and every child is told...How can he think independently....we are always told to QUESTION THE MIRACLES OF OTHER RELIGIONS  but never of our own….. Even when we hadn’t seen any of them ourselves.  It’s our bias which prevents us from believing that things which increase our faith in our religion may be present in other religions as well….. No we can't accept that…... That would destroy our whole belief system…. IT’S A HERECY.

In all this doubt and conflicting evidence how can a person be sure that he knows 100 percent that this particular religion is right and all other are wrong???

BELIEVER

The first thing is that a person cannot be younger or little by his age but knowledge.  I have realized that you are so little than me in respect of your childish knowledge and thinking that you have got nothing in your life, you learned nothing but only wrong and false beliefs!

         You said how and why your parents can be wrong (this is ridiculous!).  Do your parents have all and 100% exact knowledge?  Can they??  Are they not human?  It means if your parents say that fire is so cool that you can take it in your hand,  it will not burn you, or fall into it and it will not burn your body and you will not die! ( Are they right???)  You can say yes they are my parents so they have correct knowledge (this is non-sense on account of both you and your parents!)

                 You said there is God but where is he? WHO CREATED GOD.  My brother, He is God. He is not like us! He doesn’t have desires like us. He created us and not the other way around. If God is like human or any other creature then he is not God ! if he has same desires like us then what is difference between us and Him? He is beyond our imagination, beyond our little thinking and knowledge! GOD SAYS :

     “We have created everything, nobody created me ! I don’t have parents, I don’t have wife and children, (these are you qualities or desires! not Mine). (and as His creature we have to obey Him.) Don't think in myself who and how I am! Otherwise you will lose your faith and go astray from the righteous path!”

                       You said all religions are same, that there were noble persons who performed miracles ( yes there were).  God sent many noble people for the guidance of non-believers. God made many religions like Jews, Christianity, etc.  at different times and after that he combined all previous religions and their best qualities and knowledge in His last Book Quran and then said that this is last and only religion for all human beings on this earth to accept and follow.

            May be you are thinking there is even No God then who has said all this???  Who wrote these books and who sent all these noble people and these religions???

          1--My friend there are lots of things in this world which we cannot see at all! Even using any kind of device or equipment we are not able to see those and you also know this! Even you DO NOT know about your own self your own body or your own qualities! You have Love within you, don't you? (You have said you have Love inside you) could you tell me how this Love looks like? Where it is in your body? What is shape and color or your love? What is weight of your love? How much space your Love occupies?? If you want to put your Love in a vessel then how much and how will you put your Love in it?? All your Love belongs to your own self and it’s your own property and you are owner of it! But sorry to say that you don’t have even little knowledge to explain your own quality! You don’t even have any power to see it! to touch it ! What kind of owner you are?????????  You cannot tell about yourself and yet you try to know and stress to believe that Power which is much more beyond our imagination and knowledge which is known as GOD!!!!!!!!! How you can say anything about HIM? Even when you don’t know about your own self ?????????  This is ridiculous , funny and only NON-SENSE !!!!

         Show me LOVE which is your own property and if you are able to see it with your eyes, then i can say that yes you should have seen GOD with your eyes! Or YOU MUST SEE HIM! Or you have ability to see him and even show Him to others (but this is not possible. God says: “ It’s up to me to whom i can show myself. I only reveal myself to believers not non-believers).  Non-believers only wander in their ignorance all their lives! And this is not His duty to show Himself to everyone to believe.

                            This is like a person who says yes I have much Love inside me but i don't believe it because i want to see it with my eyes! (This is again non-sense and childish desire).

                    You say God said he made everything, where is the proof??? (I am smiling on your little knowledge! ).My friend, first think of your own self. Who you are and what you are?? How you were born? You don't know about your own self and YOU TRY TO CHALLENGE HIM WHO HAS CREATED YOU FROM A CLOT OF BLOOD?? This is similar to a scientist who makes a Robot and every part of it and gives him sense and mind. After some time that robot says NO I am superior to you, i have that knowledge which you (my creator) don’t have. (Think!!! what a non-sense is this challenge, its creator will destroy it or simply punish it!!).

                                                     You said God sent many pious & noble persons (or prophets). WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Shouldn’t he send such people or first take your permission whether he should send or not! (Allah doesn’t need any permission, order or help of any creature at all).The same way i can say why you are here?  Why you came on earth?  What’s your problem?? Why were you born and what is your concern with other people???(This will be my non-sense).

                                      You said why or how those people had spiritual powers that others don’t have? This again is big non-sense. For example, I ask a person, who has completed his Ph.D,  why you are given your Ph.D???I do not have that qualification or degree??? What knowledge you have, i don’t have it. I am in 3 class. I won’t believe your degree unless they give me Degree of Ph.D(NON- SENSE)

                                   You say God answers or gives to certain people. If He is doing so, then what is your problem? Should He give same things to all?? Should He make all people with same color, with same height? With equal status? Then what would be the difference between poor and rich? healthy and diseased? master and slave? non-believer and Believer? noble and sinner? ( My friend i have come to this point that you don't have sense which a small 5 year old child may have).

                                      All this in-equality is for this reason to test everybody, as he is testing me and you right now! If you and are me of same thinking or knowledge then what is difference between you and me?? We would not have challenged each other like this. It’s all testing of our Lord and Creator who is obedient to Him and who is not?? This is only in favor of us, if we don't believe His powers and desires then He doesn't need to care for us! He is above and beyond everything, every misconception and every dis-belief and nobody can harm Him in anyway.

                                  And don't forget He only gives correct knowledge to those who believe Him. Mother gives to all children but gives special things to that child who is deserving (Can you say i am wrong???????).

And there is only one God(Allah), no one else! If someone believes in some god other than Him then he is wrong and is only worshiping devils or monsters. These devils and monsters are also made by Allah. They are different creatures so they have some high powers than humans. That’s why some people think they are above God or challenge Him(this is only misconception).There is only ONE GOD (ALLAH). Lord and God of all gods! This is my belief because i believe Him and for this belief He has given me things which many people don’t have. He has accepted my ordinary and special prayers every time i asked Him, and it happened hundreds of times not few times. WHY SHOULD I NOT BELIEVE IN HIM???  I need Him, I don’t need help of any human (but only in worldly matters which God has allowed us to seek other fellow beings’ help), I don't need help of devils. They are nothing, they only mislead you! If you say some gods accept your prayers or give you something then again its God (Allah) who actually gives you. It’s His permission behind that giving or blessing and if i am not given anything then certainly there is something better for me in it.

                     As a child you may desire to eat burning coal. it looks very beautiful in your eyes but your mother or father only knows it’s harmful for you and they keep you away from it. Sometimes you are ill and want to eat sweets but they give you bitter medicine so that you may get well but you think why they are giving you such bitter things? Only they know what is good for you. Same is with you and God, he is your creator and knows what is best for you and what you deserve!

                    Think with your mind not with your emotions or desires! You have written u hate Ramadan? So what do you know about Ramadan? Can you explain me????? Also tell me, are you Christian or Hindu??? because with your beliefs and wrong faiths you cannot say you are a Muslim, you are only a mislead and lost person wandering in darkness and think that this is the reality like a fish which is in depth of sea water where there is only darkness and no sunshine.  She only can say that this is all ! There is darkness everywhere, in all world, she cannot even imagine of light or sun shine out there. she even cannot imagine how big this world is and what colors and lights God has made for His creatures but she doesn’t believe or think and doesn’t try to come up to the surface of sea and at last dies in its DARKNESS !!!!!

          May Allah give you proper Knowledge and help you (Amen).